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Thanks for posting the waiver Laurie on the f/c board. It seems to have done the trick.

Everybody seems to be wanting to critisize people left and right. I'm guilty of that also, especially lately. I really took offence to a comment made on the f/c board in the last couple of days regarding Darren not attending the Aussie parties. Comment being made about how he owes the Aussies something for not being there, being said by someone who has obviously had a meet and greet with the man as her signature quite plainly shows. It really erked me and I mentioned it in a email to a couple of people. But then I ask myself, hey, she's just voicing her opinion and how she feels, and people are always saying how we can't say anything on that board otherwise people are jumped on.

It is a grey area.

I'm wondering if this happens in other fan bases as well.

I think people are going completely overboard with the secrecy thing @_@ I mean, as i said on the dh bbs, i understand not wanting the tracklist to get out because if they change it, it could be a nightmare if any media sources decided to jump the gun and write an article about it either online or offline - misinformation is always bad and confusion like that could stagger the promotion process, not good either. So if that's the issue, let's guess, then there is no need for a similar concern over the lyrics because the likelihood of ANY of the lyrics being changed at this point, seeing as the album is done and all, is slim to none.

There is the copyright idea, but i think Terry might be right .... arg i wish i could remember the name of the site where you could see all the songs Darren had properly registered... is that even the term for it? LOL

And as many have eloquently said, no one is gonna die if the lyrics get out so some folk need to get out of the bitter barn and play in the hay!

I totally agree with Terry!!! People need to get a grip about these things. Just be fans do fan things.. all this political bs is just that total garbage.

Sometimes I feel sorry for the man with all the rabid fans he has!!!''

"It's a madhouse!! A madhouuuuuse!!!!" XD

xxSam

Steen, you may be thinking of ASCAP. http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?mode=search Though I am certain that there are other sources, too. This just happens to be the one that sprang quickly to mind. (btw, they aren't showing anything new for Darren yet,)

However, I am certain that the songs are copyrighted already. If fact, I am as certain as certain can be. He wouldn't be playing them or recording them......... the label who (unless I'm mistaken) owns pubishing rights wouldn't let him until their legal interest is protected.

What I think is going on with all the secrecy is more a desire to give people a surpirse. Darren has done that in the past........ wanted to keep a single or information secret so that people are surprised when he unveils it and he often has referred to his cds and music as "gifts". And I have seen him and his camp get more than a bit miffed when fans find the "gift" early and ruin the surprise.

I've always thought those were sweet sentiments (IF that is what part of what is going on), but not very realistic when it comes to how fans operate.

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Originally posted by GillyUK:
I could be hung, drawn and quartered for this but here goes

imo there is a clique (sp??) on this board and the DH board and of course this is bound to happen - people get to know each other and therefore tend to agree with those they know

when I first dared to post on the f/c board I was extremely naive to the 'politics' of posting and got myself into real deep water when I dared to post against someone in a clique - this resulted in a pm slanging match which was regrettable and completely unnecessary - the thing that upset me the most was that the person I was arguing with said that she had spoken to a friend and they had said I wasn't worth explaining things to - erhhhh - how would they know??

It does worry me that people get so annoyed with each other - but sometimes you can't help getting hot headed. Debate is healthy but it's difficult to have a real debate with such a vastly different collection of people.

OK - I've gone on enough [img]smile.gif[/img]

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<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yep, there're cliques on every bbs; that's the nature of the beast but......I honestly do believe that ppl are more inclined to speak their minds on one's such as this one that aren't run with an iron fist. We're pretty relaxed here and you can more or less speak your mind. I don't feel that you can do that on the f/c board without the banshee element jumping on you for not following the 'Stepford Fan' agenda. [img]wink.gif[/img]

Steen's SG bbs is run in a similarly relaxed manner, as is the Sony bbs to a certain extent, and therefore the topics and contents of threads are more diverse and more mature, imo.

You catch more flies with honey that with vinegar, so my old Nan used to say. [img]wink.gif[/img]

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ April 30, 2004 08:25 AM: Message edited by: Twizzle ]</font>

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Originally posted by Dyan:
Speaking of human-nature.......

It shouldn't be surprising that someone leaked the information. Excited and dedicted fans were handed something that everyone in the fan base has been waiting for, then consider the sessions about how to promote and the resulting excitment from that. It's only human nature that the excitement and desire share that excitment got the better of them.

In my opinion, leaks were to be expected. I'm only suprised that it has been this limited. After all, these are fans some of which are fairly young. They are not media and marketing professionals who is expected to show more restraint.

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<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">After such a long spell of no news whatsoever, of course people want to talk about the music! Having read Cindy's post explaining everything and the waiver that Laurie posted, I now think that nothing malicious was intended at all. It's a very good review and the publicity around college campuses will do no harm at all - quite the reverse actually.

However, I think it might have been a very good idea if that waiver had been posted on the boards beforethese LP's took place so that everyone was clear about the guidelines of what they could and could not talk about publicly - just my opinion.

Anyway after having spent 3 hours at the hospital this morning with my daughter I realise there are far more important things to worry about and to be honest all I want to do tomorrow is hear the music, meet my friends, hopefully get to say hello to Darren and just enjoy myself.

Janie xx

<font color="#9966FF" size="1">[ April 30, 2004 08:47 AM: Message edited by: DarrensPassion ]</font>

Janie, I hope that Laura is ok hun and yes, you're dead right - there really are far more important things to worry about in life. [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

I hope that you and Joyce have a wonderful day tomorrow and that everything that you've wished for comes true. Have fun. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

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Originally posted by Twizzle:
Janie, I hope that Laura is ok hun and yes, you're dead right - there really are far more important things to worry about in life. [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]

I hope that you and Joyce have a wonderful day tomorrow and that everything that you've wished for comes true. Have fun. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

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<font size="3" face="Tempus sans ITC, Papyrus,Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks Terry [img]smile.gif[/img]

Laura is OK but probably going to have to take tablets for the rest of her life. She has to have yet more blood tests and hospital visits so that's what I'm going to be doing this summer. The consultant is going to write a letter for us to give to the examinations board so that they can take her condition into consideration. I just hope and pray that the medication kicks in very soon, cos time is really short now before her exams start. I had a real battle with the hospital appointments system to get her seen without a really long wait. I know the NHS are over-stretched but OMG you wouldn't believe the mix-ups I've had with letters that haven't been delivered and appointments changed at the last minute. Sorry, I just feel a bit concerned about all this right now.

Janie xx

Gawd! What a palaver. I'm sorry that it looks like Laura will be on meds for the long haul but if they do their job and make her feel better, then it's for the best.

Please don't apologise hun - most of us have been there ourselves or with our families and we know what it's like. [img]graemlins/girl_hug.gif[/img]